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Wednesday, May 23, 2007

Satan Wants Illegal Immigration

Ahh, my dear interwebs. If ever the dictum 'truth is stranger than fiction' needed confirmation, we need look no further than you.

Surfing the net, as you do, when you should really be in bed... and saw a link to this. I shouldn't be astounded by the idiocy of ignorant religious people (matched only by ignorant non-religious people). But I am. Come ON guys, are you serious?

Note that "christians" here may well be "mormons", given this is Utah. (Quite different in belief, in spite of appearances.) But don't worry, trinitarian theists can be just as ignorant as polytheistic do-gooders. *snark*

CALEB WARNOCK - Daily Herald

Utah County Republicans ended their convention on Saturday by debating Satan's influence on illegal immigrants.

The group was unable to take official action because not enough members stuck around long enough to vote, despite the pleadings of party officials. The convention was held at Canyon View Junior High School.

Don Larsen, chairman of legislative District 65 for the Utah County Republican Party, had submitted a resolution warning that Satan's minions want to eliminate national borders and do away with sovereignty.

In a speech at the convention, Larsen told those gathered that illegal immigrants "hate American people" and "are determined to destroy this country, and there is nothing they won't do."

Illegal aliens are in control of the media, and working in tandem with Democrats, are trying to "destroy Christian America" and replace it with "a godless new world order -- and that is not extremism, that is fact," Larsen said.

At the end of his speech, Larsen began to cry, saying illegal immigrants were trying to bring about the destruction of the U.S. "by self invasion."

Republican officials then allowed speakers to defend and refute the resolution. One speaker, who was identified as "Joe," said illegal immigrants were Marxist and under the influence of the devil. Another, who declined to give her name to the Daily Herald, said illegal immigrants should not be allowed because "they are not going to become Republicans and stop flying the flag upside down. ... If they want to be Americans, they should learn to speak English and fly their flag like we do."

Senator Howard Stephenson, R-Draper, spoke against the resolution, saying Larsen, whom he called a "true patriot and a close friend," was embarrassing the Republican Party.

"I agree with 95 percent of this resolution but it has some language that is divisive and not inspiring other people to its vision," he said. "This only gives fodder to the liberal media to give negative attention to the Republican Party."

Joel Wright, a member of the Cedar Hills City Council, was booed as he opposed the resolution.

"This might be the most divisive issue in the Republican Party," he said. "I support President Bush but he needs to support this issue harder."

When Wright said "the economic benefit (of illegal immigration) outweighs the downside" he was jeered. He warned that the Republican Party of California had "killed themselves" by taking a hostile stance against illegal aliens.

He also said the LDS Church has studied the issue and tried to determine whether illegal aliens could be given temple recommends and allowed to serve missions but "gave up" because the issue was too complex. He ended by saying "President Bush needs to fix this now" and was booed again.

Larsen was allowed to finish the debate with a one-minute speech.

"If the Democrats take over the country, we will be dead, and we will have abortion and partial-birth abortion and the Republican Party will go into extinction," he said. "Nancy Pelosi and the ACLU would oppose this (resolution)."

A member of the audience moved that the convention suspend its rules to allow the "objectionable part" of Larsen's resolution to be stricken, retaining only the final paragraphs of the resolution, which condemn illegal immigration. Eventually party officials counted all delegates in attendance, only to discover that, with 299, they were about 30 short of a quorum and could take no action.

"I did ask people to stay so we could have this discussion," said Senator Curt Bramble, R-Provo, who chaired the convention. Bramble had earlier asked those gathered not to thwart a discussion on the resolution, saying it would be "good for the party."

In other business, those gathered voted against removing some of the party's leadership.

Letters supporting the re-election of party chairwoman Marian Monnahan and secretary Susan Bramble were mailed in envelopes bearing the party's return address, causing delegate Russell Sias to demand they be removed from office. A spokesperson for Alexander's Print Advantage, which handled the mailing, spoke at the convention, saying employees had mistaken put the address on the envelopes and the company took full responsibility for the snafu.

In a speech, Enid Greene, state Republican Party chair, announced to applause that she will remarry in a few months. Greene's first marriage came to an infamous end during her tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives when her husband, Joe Waldholtz, who was her campaign manager, was charged with embezzling. He eventually pled guilty to campaign fraud and other charges.

Greene said she was disappointed in BYU professors who protested Dick Cheney's visit to campus, calling them "self-appointed intellectuals."

"I'm not calling for BYU to fire them but if no one signs up for their classes ..." she said. "If they say the Vice President doesn't have anything to say we want to hear, I'm not interested in having my daughter learn from them."

All of the speakers praised those gathered. Lt. Governor Gary Herbert said Utah County Republicans are "guided by correct principles" and are the "best of the best" of the Republican Party.

Bramble assailed those who would called the local Republican Party "broken," saying the party was accountable and accomplishing good work, including the approval of school vouchers and granting UVSC university status.

Congressman Chris Cannon and Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff both received a standing ovation from some members of the audience. Cannon said Democrats have just as many corrupt party members as the Republicans but the media does not report Democratic ethics violations.

Shurtleff said that while Americans are divided on the war in Iraq, Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson should not refer to President Bush as a war criminal.

Caleb Warnock can be reached at 443-3263 or cwarnock@heraldextra.com.
This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page B1
from http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/220065/4

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3 Comments:

Blogger Rich said...

Isn't Mormonism a Christian sect - they are "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" after all?

Anyway, *Santa* is obviously a supporter of illegal immigration - look at the way he flouts border controls in his sleigh on an annual basis. And are those elves all documented with European Union passports?

May 23, 2007 2:26 pm

 
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May 23, 2007 3:20 pm

 
Blogger Sangrail said...

Very many Protestants don't consider Catholics Christians, or consider that the differences are 'too great'.
Many people don't consider anything outside of Catholicism and Protestantism, Christianity.

Christianity already has many self-contradicting elements, so it's not like there's no basis for picking which slant or disagreement to go with.
'Christian' in terms of religions is basically an umbrella term for the very many Christian faiths, from that historical root.

The major differences or omissions in Mormonism are Original Sin, and Trinitarianism.

Original Sin, while supposedly being attributed to the Old Testament, does not exist in Judaism.
So while the concept has grown with Christianity, it cannot date to the beginning of Christianity or it's root, and as a matter of debate, the only new testament scripture I've seen used to support it is from Paul, Romans 5:12-21, which really, to my reading seems to be saying that sin & death have existed since and because of Adam, and in fact, that sin occurs from breaking laws, and that before
'the fall' there were no laws, and therefore no sin, but nothing about 'original sin'.

Again, Trinitarianism can also be argued against as being a root definition for Christianity, being as they got along a few centuries without it, there's several different sects which also don't hold with it, and from my personal reading, it's obvious that Jesus often defined himself and was defined by others as being separate from God, ie the Son of God.
Stating that you're 'one with God' has been stated by many of the religiously devout, and is not the same absolute statement that saying you *are* God is.
Basically, there's enough material to argue it's a difference of opinion - someone had to *come up* with the concept.

All the other differences of Mormonism are by addition - and so far, arguments that additions make something 'not Christian' have been made by nearly everyone (well actually, 'anything that isn't our group isn't Christian'), but seem to have failed for nearly every Christian sect. And hey, what about Hell & The Devil? They're pretty widespread 'additions'.

Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet, but not as 'Christ', which at base, goes against the root word of Christianity, let alone definitions of it. ;)

As a sidenote, I wish that knocking on your door and bugging you, was anti-doctrinal for Christianity.
No such luck. ;P

Not that it's of particular personal import - I have only ever once had a door-knocker of any denomination come round while I've been at home.
Handy, that. ;D

February 28, 2008 5:12 pm

 

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